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		<title>By: Dim</title>
		<link>http://simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/29/denied/#comment-4141</link>
		<dc:creator>Dim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple makes its products either art-design, or fashion oriented. If you&#039;re not into graphics, publishing, etc. Win is whole way more appropriate platform for a professional. Just look around and compare how much software available for Win and Mac. This is what makes it truly versatile. With all the due respect to Apple, I don&#039;t usually enjoy limits. Windows, with all its issues set you free.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple makes its products either art-design, or fashion oriented. If you&#8217;re not into graphics, publishing, etc. Win is whole way more appropriate platform for a professional. Just look around and compare how much software available for Win and Mac. This is what makes it truly versatile. With all the due respect to Apple, I don&#8217;t usually enjoy limits. Windows, with all its issues set you free.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/29/denied/#comment-4140</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Ppl can choose any OS, but most ppl don&#039;t know how to install an OS (why would they?) so they get what they&#039;re given.&lt;/em&gt;
Frankly, I believe it&#039;s less not understanding how to install a different OS, and more &lt;em&gt;not even being aware&lt;/em&gt; that other OS&#039;s exist. Think about your non-computer savvy relatives and co-workers (assuming you don&#039;t work for a design firm or computer company, of course) - the vast majority are barely aware of the fact that Windows is an &quot;operating system&quot; and not the entire computer itself. The thought they have other options never enters their minds.
&quot;hartmurmur&quot; has it right. We (as in readers of sites like Simplebits) just don&#039;t get it because we&#039;re in fairly select company, when you get right down to it.
Then again, maybe I just live in the sticks. ;p
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Ppl can choose any OS, but most ppl don&#8217;t know how to install an OS (why would they?) so they get what they&#8217;re given.</em><br />
Frankly, I believe it&#8217;s less not understanding how to install a different OS, and more <em>not even being aware</em> that other OS&#8217;s exist. Think about your non-computer savvy relatives and co-workers (assuming you don&#8217;t work for a design firm or computer company, of course) &#8211; the vast majority are barely aware of the fact that Windows is an &#8220;operating system&#8221; and not the entire computer itself. The thought they have other options never enters their minds.<br />
&#8220;hartmurmur&#8221; has it right. We (as in readers of sites like Simplebits) just don&#8217;t get it because we&#8217;re in fairly select company, when you get right down to it.<br />
Then again, maybe I just live in the sticks. ;p</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/29/denied/#comment-4139</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a s**ty Windows user, but only because I&#039;m too stupid to use Linux (yet) and because I currently rely on my Windows knowledge to make money.
Windows is a product designed to make money - it happens to be sort of an operating system.  Linux is designed to be a computer operating system - it happens to make some money :p  Hmm... which will work, be reliable, powerful, etc?
Macs are cool, without them MS would be even more powerful.  And we wouldn&#039;t have Eudora (if you use Outlook {express} you are gay).
Windows (2k) has lots of good things (you realise more as you develop) and has a gentle learning curve, but Microsoft just set out to be evil.  They will do you over, and by selling out to the easy route the general user base helps MS do more evil.
About most ppl using Windows:  Ppl can choose any OS, but most ppl don&#039;t know how to install an OS (why would they?) so they get what they&#039;re given.  Yes they can choose Macs, but if they want x86 architechure, and they go to an OEM (say Dell), they get Windows.  OEMs would love to supply dual boot systems (with say Linux) - what a value add!  Unfortunately they have been blackmailed into not doing it.  If they supply anything but the &lt;em&gt;exact version&lt;/em&gt; of Windows that MS say, they lose their OEM discount = no business = no jobs = not going to happen.
MS bully their way through everything - even if Windows actually worked I&#039;d still slag MS.
Sorry for saying the same old stuff, but I wanted to get it out of my system.
Big up the POSIX complient OS&#039;s!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a s**ty Windows user, but only because I&#8217;m too stupid to use Linux (yet) and because I currently rely on my Windows knowledge to make money.<br />
Windows is a product designed to make money &#8211; it happens to be sort of an operating system.  Linux is designed to be a computer operating system &#8211; it happens to make some money :p  Hmm&#8230; which will work, be reliable, powerful, etc?<br />
Macs are cool, without them MS would be even more powerful.  And we wouldn&#8217;t have Eudora (if you use Outlook {express} you are gay).<br />
Windows (2k) has lots of good things (you realise more as you develop) and has a gentle learning curve, but Microsoft just set out to be evil.  They will do you over, and by selling out to the easy route the general user base helps MS do more evil.<br />
About most ppl using Windows:  Ppl can choose any OS, but most ppl don&#8217;t know how to install an OS (why would they?) so they get what they&#8217;re given.  Yes they can choose Macs, but if they want x86 architechure, and they go to an OEM (say Dell), they get Windows.  OEMs would love to supply dual boot systems (with say Linux) &#8211; what a value add!  Unfortunately they have been blackmailed into not doing it.  If they supply anything but the <em>exact version</em> of Windows that MS say, they lose their OEM discount = no business = no jobs = not going to happen.<br />
MS bully their way through everything &#8211; even if Windows actually worked I&#8217;d still slag MS.<br />
Sorry for saying the same old stuff, but I wanted to get it out of my system.<br />
Big up the POSIX complient OS&#8217;s!</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
		<link>http://simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/29/denied/#comment-4138</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2004 06:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex is lost maybe a fresh-acquaintance with a Linux distro might make him learn the true meaning and potential that computers can achieve &amp; also by their users.
Sorry for commenting on this quite late in the conversation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex is lost maybe a fresh-acquaintance with a Linux distro might make him learn the true meaning and potential that computers can achieve &#038; also by their users.<br />
Sorry for commenting on this quite late in the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hortop</title>
		<link>http://simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/29/denied/#comment-4137</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Hortop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the clippy syndrome again.  Serve me the damn content and I&#039;ll figure out how to make it work if it&#039;s worth it to me... if Safari gives me a broken-object icon, so it does, but locking people out of content is bad form.
Helpfully redirecting people for compatibility reasons will make me turn off JavaScript and assail the site the old-fashioned way.  Making JavaScript-dependent navigation while helpfully redirecting me will aggravate me to no end.
It&#039;s not about Macs being better or worse, it&#039;s about leaving user agents to be generic user agents and letting them do the graceful degredation (less pain and suffering for overworked designers, and making me happy!).  Sites that do otherwise are too clever by half, and will wind up being subverted 90% of the time by a determined user with an unwanted UA anyway.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the clippy syndrome again.  Serve me the damn content and I&#8217;ll figure out how to make it work if it&#8217;s worth it to me&#8230; if Safari gives me a broken-object icon, so it does, but locking people out of content is bad form.<br />
Helpfully redirecting people for compatibility reasons will make me turn off JavaScript and assail the site the old-fashioned way.  Making JavaScript-dependent navigation while helpfully redirecting me will aggravate me to no end.<br />
It&#8217;s not about Macs being better or worse, it&#8217;s about leaving user agents to be generic user agents and letting them do the graceful degredation (less pain and suffering for overworked designers, and making me happy!).  Sites that do otherwise are too clever by half, and will wind up being subverted 90% of the time by a determined user with an unwanted UA anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/29/denied/#comment-4136</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 17:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most annoying &quot;denied&quot; message has to be the infinite loop of &quot;You need at least a 4.0 browser&quot; javascript warnings at losttimes.com. I guess it doesn&#039;t like Firefox&#039;s 0.9ity. (If you plan on visiting that site, you need to be real quick on the close button :) )
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most annoying &#8220;denied&#8221; message has to be the infinite loop of &#8220;You need at least a 4.0 browser&#8221; javascript warnings at losttimes.com. I guess it doesn&#8217;t like Firefox&#8217;s 0.9ity. (If you plan on visiting that site, you need to be real quick on the close button :) )</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Martin</title>
		<link>http://simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/29/denied/#comment-4135</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee there was thought provoking comment. As long as we are drawing metaphorical parallels between humans and computers... Being a 13-15 year old macaphobic or not...how exactly do you come to the conclusion that Windows ME is the best? I&#039;ll admit OSX has a lot of eye candy features, however any system administrator can appreciate what is under the hood. I recently just started delving into the mac world with a cheap used iMac to go with the PCs running win2000 and Linux, and I can definitely say my next new computer purchase is going to be the G5.
There is no clear &quot;better&quot; computer it is just what best fits your own personal needs. Thoughtful Web developers and designers don&#039;t discriminate between different platforms, they make sure nobody is left out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee there was thought provoking comment. As long as we are drawing metaphorical parallels between humans and computers&#8230; Being a 13-15 year old macaphobic or not&#8230;how exactly do you come to the conclusion that Windows ME is the best? I&#8217;ll admit OSX has a lot of eye candy features, however any system administrator can appreciate what is under the hood. I recently just started delving into the mac world with a cheap used iMac to go with the PCs running win2000 and Linux, and I can definitely say my next new computer purchase is going to be the G5.<br />
There is no clear &#8220;better&#8221; computer it is just what best fits your own personal needs. Thoughtful Web developers and designers don&#8217;t discriminate between different platforms, they make sure nobody is left out.</p>
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		<title>By: Rake</title>
		<link>http://simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/29/denied/#comment-4134</link>
		<dc:creator>Rake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2004 16:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, I tried to install a trial version of McAffee Anti Virus. I&#039;m using FireFox, amongst others for security reasons, but it actually required me to install IE! Well, they lost a potential customer...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I tried to install a trial version of McAffee Anti Virus. I&#8217;m using FireFox, amongst others for security reasons, but it actually required me to install IE! Well, they lost a potential customer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Martin</title>
		<link>http://simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/29/denied/#comment-4133</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am totally floored by the amount of big business websites that ignore some browsers, or don&#039;t implement certain features for every browser.
Imagine the greeter at wal-mart saying we don&#039;t like your shoes, so you can&#039;t come in. Or you can come in, but you have to hop on one leg with a blindfold on aisles 12, 23 and 26.
It is truly ridiculous, and actual store fronts would face discrimination lawsuits if they used these same tactics in their stores.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am totally floored by the amount of big business websites that ignore some browsers, or don&#8217;t implement certain features for every browser.<br />
Imagine the greeter at wal-mart saying we don&#8217;t like your shoes, so you can&#8217;t come in. Or you can come in, but you have to hop on one leg with a blindfold on aisles 12, 23 and 26.<br />
It is truly ridiculous, and actual store fronts would face discrimination lawsuits if they used these same tactics in their stores.</p>
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		<title>By: lavalamp</title>
		<link>http://simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/29/denied/#comment-4132</link>
		<dc:creator>lavalamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a windows user and I like it, what&#039;s the big deal? I know it&#039;s not Apple&#039;s fault, but the basic fact is that Windows has all the games and I&#039;m a gamer.
Because Windows runs on a PC, I can upgrade whichever bit of my system I want at any time I want. Sure Windows has security holes and virus&#039; creep in every so often, but I format every 3-6 months anyway, that way my HDD stays clean and reasonably defragged.
One question though, if Windows does suck so much, why do so many people use it? I know that it&#039;s been said that people will just buy whatever they use at work and stuff, but how did Windows get so big in the first place?
Windows does everything I need it to, I don&#039;t like IE (obviously) but the rest of it is OK. I&#039;ve just picked up a copy of XP Pro, now I can use IIS which is built into it to run my ASP code when I&#039;m testing. I cannot for the life of me install Apache, call me retarded or whatever because to me it&#039;s just a brick wall.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a windows user and I like it, what&#8217;s the big deal? I know it&#8217;s not Apple&#8217;s fault, but the basic fact is that Windows has all the games and I&#8217;m a gamer.<br />
Because Windows runs on a PC, I can upgrade whichever bit of my system I want at any time I want. Sure Windows has security holes and virus&#8217; creep in every so often, but I format every 3-6 months anyway, that way my HDD stays clean and reasonably defragged.<br />
One question though, if Windows does suck so much, why do so many people use it? I know that it&#8217;s been said that people will just buy whatever they use at work and stuff, but how did Windows get so big in the first place?<br />
Windows does everything I need it to, I don&#8217;t like IE (obviously) but the rest of it is OK. I&#8217;ve just picked up a copy of XP Pro, now I can use IIS which is built into it to run my ASP code when I&#8217;m testing. I cannot for the life of me install Apache, call me retarded or whatever because to me it&#8217;s just a brick wall.</p>
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